On February 9, 2024 at 2:59 pm, Alison Castellina wrote:
I am beginning to think there may be a silver lining. Does your guilty verdict mean that Mann cannot appeal and thereby string out his miserable and benighted 'case' for another 12 years? Does it mean you never, ever, for all time have to engage with the now infamous 'mean look'? How soon can your appeal be heard by the Supreme Court?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:00 pm, Nick Russell wrote:
Is it worth appealing? The verdict is an obvious and egregious miscarriage of justice. Is there any chance that the appelate court will redress this by correctly applying the law of defamation?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:00 pm, Bill Denier The Science Guy wrote:
There is a good argument for judgment NOV but as a recovering trial lawyer I am wary. Mann has someone else picking up his legal tab and would slowly roast the defendants over the appellate fires. A better option would be to accept the verdict as to damages and ask the judge to (1) invoke the Federal view that punitives have to be tied to a s single digit multiple of special and general damages (no proof of malice, 1st amendment, etc.) and (2) decline a cost award (Mann testified that he has not paid costs or fees, ergo no costs to award plaintiff)..Mann might appeal from a reduction in punitives and disallowance of costs, but that is a much simpler appeal than one involving an NOV and would be far cheaper for the defendants.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:01 pm, Gary Alexander wrote:
(For today at 3pm) What are the costs, time delays and major risks involved with appealing this outrageous $1 million punitive fine to the U.S. Supreme Court -- the main risk being they will deny hearing it, and you may be stuck with the lynch mob's verdict?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:02 pm, LJO wrote:
We have been praying for your speedy recovery to vigorous good health. The jury's verdict is absurd, but not surprising; it is, of course, a DC jury. I don't know D.C. law, but in Nevada, as in most states, you would be able to make a motion for Judgment Notwithstanding the Verdict, to correct an obviously unjust jury verdict. In any event, I hope that you will appeal if the verdict is allowed to stand. While the word "travesty" is too quickly resorted to in most cases, it is certainly appropriate in this one.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:04 pm, William Stroock wrote:
The regime always gets its man. I was wondering if you were going to hop the redeye out of the country last night. I felt nothing but bitter disappointment and bile myself. I've been a foot soldier in the free speech wars from the dread Danish Cartoons of Blasphemy, to Charlie Hebdo, and even Mann v Steyn. The free speech wars are over, and free speech has lost. I wish I had something more to say, some words of encouragement. But I do not. Frankly I'm wondering if now is the time to just shut the hell up.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:10 pm, Jeff Kouba wrote:
My hopes for the future of this once great nation have sunk even lower. What a depressing day. But, once more into the breach and all that... Will continue to offer fervent prayers for Mr. Steyn... Point me to whatever crowdfunding platform would allow us to help contribute to the "Pay Mark's $4 Fund"...
On February 9, 2024 at 3:12 pm, David wrote:
Mark you and Rand were screwed. Not just the DC courts. Not just a weak judge who allowed mann's lawyer to buffalo him. Not just a jury who couldn't bother to show on time to court.
No you guys were screwed by Algore and the American education system that insisted that his BS scare film "an Inconvenient Bald Faced Lie" be mandatory indoctrination in every school across America. Those jurors were either fed that swill personally or their children were and they went along with it.
My children, all adults, were quite dismayed by the outcome (no they did not see Al-ogre's horror film - they all went to religious schools that see this nonsense for what it is - false god worship).
If it's any help, my American lawyer son-in-law thinks that 9 to 1 is the max ratio between punitive and actual damages.
In truth though, the fact even this jury found you liable for only $1 in damages shows that even they thought that mann did not prove his claim.
Get healthy, Mark - there are a lot of us out there who need your wit and wisdom.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:14 pm, BallBounces in Tucson wrote:
One million, and then... one -- a hockey stick. They were sending a message.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:14 pm, Gordon MacMichael wrote:
Indeed, one hopes that the ratio between compensatory and punitive damages will be reduced dramatically without you having to endure a long appeal process. Nevertheless, what, other than undermining co-operation between the co-defendants, was the jury's justification for the huge discrepancy in punitive damages assessed against yourself and the estimable Mr. Simberg?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:15 pm, Charles McCarthy wrote:
The awarding of $1.00 in compensatory damages to both you and Rand, is a singular triumph for your position that the plaintiff suffered no measurable harm. I'm disappointed that the jury found any defamation, but with a DC jury, what could we really expect?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:16 pm, richard borzychowski wrote:
Hi Mark. Terrible but not unexpected verdict. It seems to me that the jury ( of your peers ? ) chose to disregard the hard evidence in the case and instead latched on to the " climate denial equals election denial " brass ring put forth by the plaintiff at the very end. Reminds me of a very famous case in the past when a certain jury ignored hard evidence and fell in love with the catchy phrase " if it doesn't fit, you must acquit." On the good news side you don't have to pay out 83 million dollars for damages. For now, get the hell out of Washington and on that Caribbean Cruise and enjoy that sea air.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:17 pm, Scott Webster wrote:
Trying on a new career? Your bravura legal performance--at least as dramatized by the Geico lizard--may win you a rare opportunity to argue before the US Supreme Court. Pretty good for a rookie!
On February 9, 2024 at 3:19 pm, Elisa Angel wrote:
Mark, Do you think your case would have turned out differently in a court west of the Pecos?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:21 pm, Chris Davies wrote:
Mark,
All things considered, I hope you are as well as you can be.
There are a million reasons why I hope you can now have a decent rest before the Mark Steyn Cruise.
The hockey stick verdict is a travesty and a farce but I'm sure came as no surprise to you.
I know your mentality when it comes to the likes of Go Fund Me with good reason.
May I commend to members of the Mark Steyn Club to avail themselves of a substantial Mark Steyn gift certificate?
Despite ruinous health, you have put yourself on the line to protect free speech and the least folks like me can do is dig deep to support you, not only with the costs of that case but also the critical upcoming case against Ofcom.
Free speech is not free of charge. We must prevail and as our standard bearer, you must be appropriately supported.
All the best Mark.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:22 pm, Jonny Woodrow wrote:
Dear Mark,
All the cool dissidents have a guilty verdict slapped on them! Does the corrupt US "justice" system have to fall under the growing weight of madcap verdicts like the one you received this week? Is that the only hope for it now? That's my take home from your case. It can't reform itself from within and so it must die publicly as it screams insanities and shows itself unfit for purpose. Your loss this week is a medical report on the state of US justice and climate fraud, and therefore it is a win, exposing what we are up against.
Press on. Ofcom next
Blessings and prayers
Jonny Woodrow
On February 9, 2024 at 3:24 pm, Skinny wrote:
I am absolutely gobsmacked by the jury's verdict. I knew things were bad, but this is beyond my most pessimistic estimate. How can six human beings inhabit this planet without one singe working brain cell between them? How do they manage to get out of bed in the morning, let alone find their way to a courtroom? Do they have keepers that run them back albeit always one hour late? Legend has it that 6 monkeys given typewriters and a million years can produce the entire works of Shakespeare. These 6, given the same typewriters and 2 million years couldn't produce so much as a single sentence. As for the verdict, if you hand over so much as a half penny to that fraudster, I will personally beat you to death with your last remaing Liberty Stick. Tell that jagoff to take it out the money he owes Tim Ball. As for me I am retiring to the Maldives to await the inevitable waves emanating from the melting antarctic to wash over my head. Care to join me?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:24 pm, Andrew Curl, Lexington, KY wrote:
Hey Mark. I know you are disappointed in the court decision. When I read the decision I was momentarily crushed. But then I slapped myself and said "What did you really expect?" I think we all hoped for a win but knew that the odds were stacked against us. It was such an easy and overwhelmingly obvious case in your favor that I allowed myself to think that even 6 brainwashed DC democrat jurors could see that too. What a putz I was for thinking that. Williams was a slimeball for throwing in the Trump comparison at the closing, but I don't think that mattered in the end. If deleted emails, slanderous comments and outright lies from the stand didn't bother the jurors I doubt the Trump comment held any sway. But he knew his audience so he threw it in anyway. You probably lost on day one when they said you guest-hosted for Rush and appeared on Fox News. They could have saved a lot of time and rested their case right then. Stay strong Mark. Rest up and get as healthy as you can. We love you!
On February 9, 2024 at 3:25 pm, Joel Long wrote:
Every day now, I awake to a strange world. I no longer live in a free and equal Nation. The American judicial system was framed upon basic principles we all know. From the persecution of simple protesters as insurrectionists while allowing to roam free gloating street thugs who everyday terrorize citizens, NOTHING is rational. Wrong is indeed now right, evil is good and the devil does deal all the cards.
The case against Mark Steyn was a shame, as anyone who listened to ANY of the trial transcripts would know. I now can say I know and support a martyr for freedom-Mark Steyn
On February 9, 2024 at 3:25 pm, Mark Lipniacki wrote:
Dear Mark,
My condolences and commiserarions on recent outcomes. That system is indeed beneath contempt and beyond redemption. That constitution, so noble in intention, is now confined to that overflowing depository of detritus and debris the dustcart of the past. Should onerous insult be added to injury, in terms of so called damages, I am sure many of us will be more than happy to rally around the flag of defrayment.
Godspeed, Mark
On February 9, 2024 at 3:27 pm, Bill Holcomb wrote:
Hi Mark -
Thank you for bringing your considerable intellectual gifts into the fight for rational civilizational ideals. No jury verdict can diminish your stellar Renaissance mind. My hockey stick hangs proudly in my office.
Since prejudicial jurisdictional rules, dumb-downed jury pools, and pre-existing ideological emotions render American court "justice" impossible, should those of us who wish to continue publicly arguing against the insanity stick to the generality of the ideas, without mentioning specific people or studies? Do you see any other way forward, or do we all wave our white flags and enjoy quiet evening cocktails and the occasional symphony or opera while such dwindling civilizational pleasures still exist?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:28 pm, Tom Grothe wrote:
I've had a knot in my stomach since that dimwitted jury announced their verdict yesterday. Can't even imagine how you (Mark) is feeling. I'm praying for you, rooting for you and have bought all your books and two Liberty Sticks. I've also talked to several freedom loving friends about this case and we're all sickened. Sad beyond words. I can't give up but if I could I would. Mark, thank you for your courage, wisdom and inspiration. I've learned from you for a couple decades now and have passed on what I've learned to others. Keep up the great work. Many people are behind you although many more should be. Will we ever find out who paid MicroMann's legal fees? What's next?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:29 pm, Brawndo wrote:
Mann has to now declare all the free legal help as income, right?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:31 pm, Chris Davies wrote:
Mark,
All things considered, I hope you are as well as you can be.
There are a million reasons why I hope you can now have a decent rest before the Mark Steyn Cruise.
The hockey stick verdict is a travesty and a farce but I'm sure came as no surprise to you.
I know your mentality when it comes to the likes of Go Fund Me with good reason.
May I commend to members of the Mark Steyn Club to avail themselves of a substantial Mark Steyn gift certificate?
Despite ruinous health, you have put yourself on the line to protect free speech and the least folks like me can do is dig deep to support you, not only with the costs of that case but also the critical upcoming case against Ofcom.
Free speech is not free of charge. We must prevail and as our standard bearer, you must be appropriately supported.
All the best Mark.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:31 pm, Roy Eappen wrote:
Dear Mark I'm just seething with rage The US Justice system has shown itself to be ridiculous. There should have been a directed verdict. Mann proved nothing. It is just away to silence critics of the climate scam
On February 9, 2024 at 3:31 pm, Brian from Minneapolis wrote:
Dear Mark,
The truth no longer dies in darkness, but in a DC courtroom. Just as Geert Wilders found out that the truth isn't a defense because the truth is illegal, so is the truth about Mann and the hockey stick. I hoped for sanity from the jury but expecting those who have been taught and believe Mann's predictions got us to where we are now and we'd be lost without him is a pipe dream. In the end, no one will know the facts from the case because the ends justifies the means when it comes to climate change and anyone who fights it will lose. How can we have faith in any system of justice when the jury believes in the very thing you're trying to defend against? I hope you do well in your fight to pay Mann millions. Stay well and don't let the Russian block judges steal the gold away from you again.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:31 pm, Eric Dale wrote:
Mark, and fellow Club members, are we approaching our betters all wrong? Shouldn't we be grateful that we have a judicial system that chastises so effectively those who would blaspheme the holy writ of the well credentialed and connected?
Why should we be burdened with thinking for ourselves when the selfless are so willing to think for us? May peace be upon Mann, Biden, and communion of saints in the Democratic Party and World Economic forum! (Yes, this is sarcasm)
On February 9, 2024 at 3:32 pm, Keith Farrell wrote:
Sorry to hear Mark has had to stand down and many thanks for taking over.
The result was extremely dissapointing after having listened to the poor evidence on Mann's behalf and then to hear the judge criticise their case. Stay strong and enjoy your cruise
On February 9, 2024 at 3:32 pm, Larry Jordan wrote:
Melissa, can you speak a bit about what Samuel Alito wrote in his dissent. Free speech is the real issue. When or how can the free speech 1st Amendment issue reach the Supreme Court in Mark's case?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:33 pm, Kevin Blais wrote:
The judgment is overshadowing the biggest concern with this case ... that it ever was allowed to go to trial in the first place. There is no place in a free society with free speech for lawsuits about hurt feelings. This is what needs to be addressed not the amount. And I'm sure Mark will agree the award was nothing compared to the cost, time and energy of the 12 year case itself. The SCOTUS should make it clear that these suits will not be tolerated in the future. And oh by the way, liberals should be careful what they ask for because based on this decision Trump should be able to sue every single person who made a comment about people drinking Lysol or any number of other things they defamed him with. Keep up the good fight Mark!
On February 9, 2024 at 3:33 pm, Mike Huggins wrote:
I am not sure what to say here - other than the verdict(s) were stunning in their absolute horribleness and wrongness. It confirmed all my worst fears about the "New World Progressive Order." The Red Guardsmen of today have basically taken over. I do wish Mark better things and a better life after this. For the rest of us, I guess, "to the barricades!"
On February 9, 2024 at 3:34 pm, David Taylor wrote:
Mark. I wonder if the Democrat Party's extraordinarily grueling and crushing eight-year torment of President Trump–which may lapse into a backbreaking eternity of Democrat-led proxy lawfare–and Trump's seemingly Yoda-like tolerance of such gut-wrenching political depravity (arising to an ultimate victory?)–gave you any succor or perspective during your own bedevilment from Michael Mann? Lastly, Mark, my grief for your travails is only matched by my admiration of you as a forthright human being. Go forward into the Light.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:35 pm, Elisa Angel wrote:
Melissa, Thanks for stepping in to do the Q&A. We can see you online, you've done the Q&A before, but I don't know that much about you. Would you tell us a bit about your background, and how you've ended up at the Steyn Club?
You must be exhausted too. Get some rest.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:35 pm, Cliff Raymond wrote:
Is there any chance for a directed verdict from the judge?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:35 pm, Ken - Maryland wrote:
All I said to my friend who was also following the trial (and is also a lawyer) is travesty of justice. After reading what the judge said, we did not understand why you did not get summary judgment or a directed verdict. I am sure you will be talking about this but I did also want your take on the pending switcheroo. The useless Republicans focus on Biden dementia. But his policies will be carried on by whomever replaces him and his policies are the real crime. After they Torch Biden (a reference to Bob Torricelli of NJ and Rush's nickname for him), they will claim all is well in the world and the rubes can feel safe to vote for whomever replaces him. The Rs will be flatfooted and it will be over. Your take? And thank you for fighting the good fight. I am in for the appeal if you are!
On February 9, 2024 at 3:36 pm, Tony Allwright wrote:
Hi Mark,
My brother Kevin and I are devastated at the extraordinary and appalling outcome of your trial, and indeed at the inequitable manner in which it was conducted and refereed.
It is yet another example of the deterioration of American justice and politics - because your "guilty" verdict was undoubtedly a political one.
Just as Donald Trump's numerous indictments are purely political - were he not running for president he would not be being judicially harassed.
Every means possible is being used to prevent his (re-)election as president. Just as in, say, Pakistan, the leading opposition leader (Imran Khan in Pakistan) has been thrown in jail, so the Democrats want to put Trump behind bars. Very common practice of course in the Banana Republics of South America.
But in case that doesn't work, the Democrats, in best Banana style, are pulling every string to prevent Trump from even appearing on the ballot papers, and with some success.
It is all because the Democrats know that if Trump runs he will win, and by a margin that not even Democrats will be able prevent through election shenanigans.
So should they fail to jail or disqualify Trump, only one recourse remains.
Assassination.
The Democrats probably have few moral qualms about this (let no-one mention the tragic if convenient suicide of Jeffrey Epstein).
But have they the ability to break through Donald Trump's security?
Your thoughts please!
Tony Allwright
in Portugal
Founding Week Member
On February 9, 2024 at 3:36 pm, Janette Kok wrote:
I joined yesterday because I was shocked and appalled by the verdict. Is there no chance of overturn on appeal?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:36 pm, Chris O. wrote:
Mark, some veteran trial lawyers will tell you that you're not a real trial lawyer until a jury has completely screwed you over, so congratulations on joining a club you never wanted to be a member of. Justice Alito was certainly prescient all those years ago.
The verdict was obviously the product of some irrational prejudice and unsupported by the law or evidence, so it's on to getting the grave injustice done to you straightened out. I apologize my questions involve the dull legal folderol you abhor, but the answers are of interest. Did Judge Irving ever rule on the defendants' JMOLs and if so, what explanation did he give for why he denied them? What schedule, if any, is there for filing and hearing post-trial motions? Will Simberg be joining you in filing such motions?
Please keep the faith. I'd like to think Judge Irving will feel bound to follow US Supreme Court precedent and dramatically reduce the wholly unjustified punitive damages once you get this issue before him. As others have noted, it would be amusing to see you whip a $5 bill out of your wallet to post security for your appeal if you chose to go that route.
Thank you.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:37 pm, Tim Boggs aka Midwestern Tim wrote:
Just throwing this out there...happy for you to take a ride in the bed of my pickup to cross the border of your choice. It would be an honor.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:38 pm, Andy wrote:
Sue the airline for a suitcase worth of compensatory damages and a million and one punitive!
Is it just me, or is the Deep State trying to spell out something for us in describing Biden as a:
Sympathetic
Well-intentioned
Ancient
Man of
Poor
'Memory?
SWAMP ('i)M?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:38 pm, Kyle from Chicago wrote:
Mr. Steyn — Did you lose your bespoke trousers in the suitcase snafu? I'm sure it's not cheap replacing garments altered for the Jupiter-sized balls you have to lug around.
I was enthralled by your court room performance. I am not naïve but you destroyed Mann's case so brutally and comprehensively that the swift and insane verdict came as a real shock.
I have rejoined the Club after a few years lapse to chip in my meager contribution to your trouser replacement fund.
At 40 I am probably among your youngest loyal readers (for over a decade now). As a father and business owner you are a profound inspiration to me. Take care of yourself and hold your head high.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:38 pm, Glen Flint wrote:
Hi Mark,
God bless you and your battle to defend America's First Amendment in a country that has lost its way and its Constitution.
I'm perplexed by the jury's verdict and subsequent award of $1 for compensatory damages and $1,000,000 for punitive damages. If damages amount to only $1 then are there any real damages? But damage is a necessary component of defamation. Thus, No Case to Answer.
Is the million dollars to punish you for having the temerity to question the credibility of a "Nobel Laureate" who is apparently unable to get his facts straight on the amount of grant funding he lost but must be believed on his temperature data for the Middle Ages?
Earlier wasn't Mann going to appeal regardless of the outcome. If he won, he'd drag National Review back in to mine their deep pockets. If he lost, he'd continue to torture you with the appeals process. Is this still their strategy?
Rest up for your upcoming bout with Ofcom. Your fellow GB News presenter, Neil Oliver, was cleared by Ofcom for his thought crimes. Perhaps the First Amendment is alive and well in the UK?
Rest up for a little Liberty Stick shuffleboard on the Lido deck. I've got a custom Mann Puck that we can smack the heck out of.
Glen Flint
On February 9, 2024 at 3:38 pm, Robert Stewart wrote:
Re: Michail Gill's "Car Jacking"
Gill was shot by a gunman who entered the car in the back seat. It should have been characterized as an assassination. You cannot "jack" a car from the back seat. The gunman fled on foot after shooting Gill in the head. Subsequently, he did carjack a ride, but this was to help him get away. Curiously, he was shot and killed 12 hours later. DC police in action, nothing to see here, move along.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:38 pm, Toby Pilling wrote:
On a lighter note in these dark times, I note that your one-time broadcasting rival from happier days, Piers Morgan, has left Talk TV. It seems that 'Piers Morgan Uncensored' didn't require any OFCOM Commissars to rule against it - there were not enough viewers to bother with the censoring bit.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:39 pm, Melissa McClure wrote:
Mark, sometimes I have to remind myself that God's glory needs to be shown by HIM being victorious instead of us winning a battle. I have been praying for you for a long time, specifically that God would place a hedge of protection around you, your family and all your supporters. Right now, it doesn't look like that prayer has been answered, but I have faith that God will protect you. You have always been a warrior, a man whose hands were made for war by our Heavenly Father. May you continue to swing your sword!!!
On February 9, 2024 at 3:39 pm, BallBounces in Tucson wrote:
Is it too soon to suggest possible book titles --
No Case To Answer
No Skin In The Game
Verdict On Trial
Steyn In The Penalty Box
Justice Denied
Free Speech Vs. The Hockey Stick
Pennalty
On February 9, 2024 at 3:39 pm, John Spaulding wrote:
While listening to the daily podcast about the trial, I kept thinking, is this all the plaintiff has for a case? I guess we know why now. Why bother gathering witnesses, arguments and case history when you are going to win anyway. Your team and Simberg's destroyed their case in the court room but it didn't matter. So sad. The truth is still looking for a shopping cart in aisle nine at Wegman's. One other note, I think we now know why the jurors were late every day. They had to wait for their electric cars to finish charging! Get some rest and enjoy your cruise. In a just world, you would have won! Still rooting for you!
On February 9, 2024 at 3:40 pm, Kelly Harbeson wrote:
Perhaps Mark can use another one of "Mike's tricks" and simply ignore any judgements of damages.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:40 pm, Patty Villanova (not the college) wrote:
February 8, 2024 is a day that will live in infamy and history for our once great Republic, no small thanks to the heroics of warrior/scribe Mark Steyn.
Here are the four defining events that occurred yesterday in order of importance (my opinion):
1. In a thoroughly grotesque court proceeding, the forces of Darkness personified in the human scum known as Devil Mike Mann, won their latest battle and proved once and for all that our laws and the Constitution offer no protection against the illegal and ungodly acts of our Satanic overlords as they pillage and destroy the USA and the rest of Western Civ.
2. Speaking of the Constitution, the Supreme court heard arguments as to why the state of Colorado should be allowed to keep our President Trump off of the ballot this November. Although many in the media are saying today that this will be a big win for Trump, keep in mind that one of the Justices involved has stated that she does not know the difference between a man and a woman.
3. Tucker Carlson interviewed Vlad Putin who if nothing else, proved that he is an actual world leader who has a sense of history and reality when it comes to world governance.
4. It was proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the current resident of the oval office is a demented, surly old criminal who won't be prosecuted for his crimes and treasonous acts.
So here are my questions for Mark- where do we go from here? What are your thoughts about your future, our future, our Country's future now that we know for sure that this has become a lawless Banana Republic?
If you couldn't get justice in that court then the word has become meaningless. How do we continue to fight for liberty and freedom in our brave new world?
Thanks for all you do and G-d bless and protect you always.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:40 pm, Scott Schertzer wrote:
Dear Mark:
I would like to say that I was stunned when hearing your verdict but unfortunately, I am no longer stunned by anything emanating out of Washington, DC these days. Perhaps you'd have been better off had Robert Hur deposed you and determined you to be too elderly and forgetful to stand trial.
I don't even know why they bother having trials in DC, when the verdict is a foregone conclusion based on one's political views. Judging by Mann's testimony he had no doubt as to how the jury would decide. This is truly a sad day for the first amendment.
As I listen to the Clubland Q&A I will be going through my study collecting all of my books pertaining to the Constitution and throwing them in the trash as they no longer have any application in today's America.
It is sad that it takes a Canadian to fight for what we Americans take as our birthright, but there is no better fighter than you, Mr. Steyn. Please stay strong and, most of all, look after your health. After all I have already paid my Club dues for the year and would hate to have to ask for a refund should a fourth heart attack fell you.
Looking forward to seeing you while sailing the Caribbean later this month. Take good care and be well.
Sincerely,
Scott Schertzer
Miami Beach
On February 9, 2024 at 3:41 pm, Jerry Carroll wrote:
You don't have to be long in tooth to know life is not fair. I am filled with admiration for your long battle for truth and justice. All the odds were against you but you fought on heroically. It was Rorke's Drift except for the wrong side winning..
On February 9, 2024 at 3:41 pm, Shawn Saavedra wrote:
Mark, I cannot help but add one more encouragement, because it seems to me if the whole of freedom-loving America sent you well-wishes and our prayers, it would still be less than you have earned through your (I guess I can no longer say tireless) fight on behalf of truth and liberty for decades, while individuals and corporations have folded under the weight of financial decline and bankruptcy.
You have repeatedly made yourself a target by brazenly speaking truth as though it were a thing to be unashamed of, and have been duly targeted by those who wish to control the truth.
I thank you for your personal integrity, for your boldness in the face of the oncoming hoard, and for your refusal to try to play rhetorical games to minimize risk. You literally have born the burden for us all in this fight for our right to speak.
We pray for your health, for a victory on appeal, and that you would know how much we appreciate your heroic battle for us.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:41 pm, Pete Procopio wrote:
Mark!
I was going to send in one of those "million to one shot doc" proctologist jokes but figured it was too soon.
Am I the only one relieved that it was only a million dollar punitive judgement after that slimeball shot the moon in closing and told the jurors to teach "Trumpers" a lesson?
I understand your objections to crowd funding donations in these efforts, but I'd like to propose you funding the payment of the spurious and farcical punitive damages by selling another commemorative. I'm thinking a liberty stick-emblazoned rubber dollar bill souvenir honoring Mann's actual compensatory finding.
You go ahead a write that one dollar check. One sawbuck for 12 years of being a horrible person. What's that work out to about 8 or 9 cents per year? He deserves it. I mean he did get that mean look in that Wegmen's that one time.
Illegitimi non carborundum
On February 9, 2024 at 3:42 pm, Mike Cliffson wrote:
Greenwich mean look time: ROFL
Attaboy Mark!Nil carburundum illegitimi!They say damaged hearts don't heal....not true , they can do somewhat but it's slow. And the more you are in good spirits and chortling the better.
Not quite what I meant my maiden comment to be Mark but your a prolife person and hence anti-abortion and there's so few in public life that I am utterly certain that unknown and unseen you have triggered there be life And Pray you live longer . "Prolife "and "Anti-abortion"are too cold to limited to a thoroughly right and rightful stance...Am I wrong in seeing you as your public face seems to me ,like the Jewish greeting and
toast " mishhalen" aprox "Tolife"?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:42 pm, Robert Norris wrote:
Mark,
I'm happy to be a RENEWING Member, especially after that travesty of a verdict in my nation's filthy slime-pit of a Capital.
Enough of that for now...I've so delighted in your recollections of encounters with the likes of Princess Margaret and seeing that one appearance on 'Theatre Talk' one can find on YouTube that I've listened to many times. Please recount an anecdote and/or point us to where we can experience more of such reminiscing from your extraordinary life and times!
Rob; Evergreen, CO
On February 9, 2024 at 3:42 pm, John Jenson wrote:
Mark--I bought 4 Liberty Sticks, which arrived about an hour ago. What is your next move against Mr Mann? This is far from over, because the fact is that his Hockey Stick IS a fraud!
On February 9, 2024 at 3:43 pm, jennifer price wrote:
very sad day to see in your email the GUILTY word. not sure exactly how that awful figure of 1m$ gets down to $4 but I pray for you that it does. How long will you be beholden to the court system before the appeal and how long does the appeal take? Whatever the answer it seems too horrible to contemplate. I still think your jury had no idea of the implications of their ignorance on Free speech or the difference between damaging defamation and just plain commonsense truth speaking which we should all be free to do. sori another
Do you think the judge was trying ,in his closing talks ,to really explain what they should consider or was he brushing over the details. ? maybe that is a unfit for responding query with the appeal in the offing.
hoping you will feel better back in your mountain air. best wishes Jennie and Terry price
On February 9, 2024 at 3:43 pm, Baxter Hogen wrote:
Greetings from western South Dakota!
I thought that your choice of "Look What They Done To My Song" on last weeks Clubland Q &A was very appropriate. You are being persecuted for your unequalled use of the English language to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. Your spot-on encapsulation of Micheal Mann and corrupt Penn State was too much for the thin-skinned Mann. It is a shame that your God given talent has caused you to be ensnared in our ruinous legal system.
I pray that you have the strength to carry on fighting for us all. We need you now more than ever.
Don't let the bastards get you down Mark.
Mega Liberty Stick Dittos,
Baxter Hogen
On February 9, 2024 at 3:43 pm, Andy wrote:
Is it just me or is the Deep State trolling US calling Biden a:
Sympathetic
Well-meaning
Ancient
Man of
Poor memory?
SWAMP!
On February 9, 2024 at 3:43 pm, ed wrote:
Scalia used to be asked about capital punishment and faulty guilty convictions for which the innocent were saved near the last minute in their appeals processes. His answer was that those were examples of the system working. A bad DC verdict is part of the process in this case. I believe the system will still work for Mark. Although it will take far too long.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:44 pm, Steve from Manhattan wrote:
Melissa, It was wonderful to meet you, and to remind Mark of our Montenegrin encounter last July, when I visited the courtroom last week. I lit a candle in my local parish church today for Mark's recovery and for justice in spite of this setback. I looked often at the six jurors last week, and today I also lit a candle and prayed for them. For some, their verdict might have been motivated by hate. For others—perhaps fear; some might not have had the stomach to resist the hotter folks on the jury. Their actions have harmed Mark, but they have also damaged themselves. They they all took oaths. They all claimed they would put aside prejudices. At least some of them must, even now, have something bothering them about their actions. What do you think?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:44 pm, Keith Hood wrote:
Mark,
A very healthy and happy 2024 to you and yours in spite of the nincompoops trying their best to ruin it for you. You are and always have been a national treasure. Take very good care of yourself!!
On February 9, 2024 at 3:44 pm, Benjamin Bumgardner wrote:
Hello Mark. So sorry to hear the verdict but not in the least surprised unfortunately. As I watched the trail it was obvious the judge favored the pin headed mann and the jurors I saw as they entered and left the courtroom looked more like a lineup of losers than your peers. I said then I was worried for you, and it looks like rightly so. I also offered a comment to just stiff the bastard like he did to your fellow Canadian. The country is in a sad state of disrepair with no redemption in sight. The experiment is over. The rot is deep in our government and there is no amount of radical surgery that will remove it. The debt alone will sink the country into an abyss that it may never recover from. Not even Trump can save the country but only prolong the agony in my opinion. You deserve your vacation cruise and I hope the weather is fantastic. Thank you for being the tip of the spear in this fight. I am forever a Steyn Club member until the day I die. Stick #285 and damn proud of it. My only question is, what will be your go to cocktail on the cruise? I love a good frozen daiquiri myself when I have cruised the Caribbean.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:44 pm, Nicola Timmerman wrote:
I'm assuming Ozzy is Laurence Fox but what is he in trouble for?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:45 pm, The Notorious Mr. J wrote:
The trail results are disappointing to say the least, and in some ways surreal too. Compensatory damages of $1? That sounds like an insult to The Mann. The punitive damage award of one mill is strange in it's way, too. One would expect a liberal jurisdiction jury to be much more outlandish under such circumstances. And the chances are good that this will be whittled down a great deal on appeal. Still, it's terrible that it had to come to this. What are the chances of an appeal that could quash this verdict all together?
The Media in general have potentially much to lose by this precedent, some have said.. But where are they in their own defense? The news reports I have read are solidly pro Mann. They'll regret this.
Two questions linger in my mind-
1.) Any ideas yet about the dynamics in the jury room that lead to this verdict?
2.) Has anyone looked into the source of Michael Mann's seemingly bottomless legal fund? It would be good
to know the Powers-That-Be involved here.
As a welcome aside, any thoughts on Tucker Carlson's interview with Putin? Pooty-Poot sure came across as prepared and slick. One shudders at the thought of how Biden would perform under similar circumstances.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:45 pm, Manny wrote:
Dear Mark,
I hope there's a long line for new members to ask questions so don't feel bad if you don't get to mine.
Do you know if your witnesses who actually were defamed have the stomachs to go after this vile person? After all hey have his "sworn" testimony on the record.
What a loser judge, everything you've said about the quality of those posers is true. Clearly a case for a directed verdict.
Best wishes
Manny
On February 9, 2024 at 3:46 pm, Barbara Yunker wrote:
Could not sleep last night due to catching up with the trial news, culminating in that nauseous verdict. What a sick joke. On behalf of my lost country, I apologize. But not surprising because of the jury members are from D.C. area, meaning that they are brainwashed morons. Much like my entire family of origin, sadly. They sincerely love me, but are in favor of a reeducation camp for this old lesbian. People often ask me HOW could I enthusiastically vote for Donald Trump in 2016 & 2020? Well, a HUGE amount of fellow Californians voted for him. He is one of my top heroes, as is the incomparable Mark Steyn.
Mark, I don't know what to say. I wish I could buck up your spirits with a witticism or a song. The cruise is what you need to come roaring back to the 2nd trial. If you have another book in you, please consider writing about this year? On second thought, just concentrate on regaining your health!
When I read the poem "If", it always reminds me of you.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:46 pm, Gabriel Garcia Moreno wrote:
Your torrid experience suggests DC juries are as trustworthy in their administration of justice as our spaniel would be left unsupervised with a consignment of butcher's chipolatas. In fairness to the scruffy mutt, he'd at least have greater honesty and integrity in his conduct than plaintiff homo deceptive.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:46 pm, James of Live Free or Die wrote:
Clubland Q&A: Post-Verdict Edition....
Mark, your legalism regarding Mann suit was certainly NO CASE TO ANSWER. Unfortunately your judicial torment was really about you being a global warming heretic, and as such it was the duty of the rotten stinking Washington jury to decide your punishment behind the facade of the legalisms. These jurors can now go home and smirk together with neighbor J6 jurors who also dispense J6 punishments for wrong-think.
Stay strong in this epic battle for free speech. I am all in for you.
James of Live Free or Die
On February 9, 2024 at 3:47 pm, Chris Hall wrote:
Mark, you and Rand's team did as good a job as was possible under the many constraints placed on you, and I don't think that any rational person could have arrived at the actual verdict, but hey Jake, er Mark, it's Chinatown.
On a wildly different topic, it seems that the US may be heading toward a showdown between states and the Feds, with armed units being involved. Recently, many of the alphabet agencies in DC (some not beginning with "N") have become armed to the teeth, but unfortunately for the Feds, they may come up short on military aged people who can reliably and effectively do their bidding. What do you think of the idea that many of the young male illegal immigrants pouring across the border might be pressed into service as a 21st century version of Janissaries, doing the Sultan's bidding? The concept seems possible, if frightening.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:47 pm, Fred Jones wrote:
The jury proved daily they had no respect for the law or their sworn duty (being tardy every day of trial). And the cesspool votes over 90% Democratic, with jurors dependent on the Deep State and it's accepted orthodoxy.
In short, your eloquent, factual and legal arguments fell on the deaf ears of a blindfolded Lady who long ago chucked her scales for the warm embrace of Uncle Sam.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:47 pm, David Coats wrote:
What will it cost to overturn the $1,000,000 in damages? 1st principles are priceless, so I'm looking for how/where to send a check to the Mark Steyn Defense Fund. —Stick-holder #440
On February 9, 2024 at 3:47 pm, David Maxwell wrote:
OK a question: can you think of any American institution(s) that have NOT been fully taken over by the left? And if there are none, when will the right accept defeat and move on to whatever the next phase might be?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:48 pm, Gareth Roberts wrote:
Should Mark and Simberg settle for paying Mann $4 each and leave it at that?
I would like to see a TV version of the excellent podcast series by our Irish friends.
The blatant idiocy of the jury verdict would be plain to see for everyone, along with all the evidence against Mann and his stick.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:48 pm, Andy wrote:
Sue the airline for a suitcase worth of compensatory damages and a million and one punitive!
On February 9, 2024 at 3:49 pm, Chris Hall wrote:
Hi Mark, one more quick question. Last night, when I heard that the President would have a hastily called address to the nation, I was all prepared for an LBJ style declaration that he had decided not to run for reelection. Imagine my surprise at the actual address, which made it clear that at least in the President's mind, everything was just fine. If the powers that be really want a replacement, maybe they were replaying the scene in Singin' in the Rain where the studio head sends Lena Lamont out on stage to speak in her own voice. If so, will the mainstream media start talking about the 25th amendment soon?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:49 pm, JC of Weston-super-Mare wrote:
Did anyone else notice that whilst the courtroom was waiting for the judge & jury to come in for the verdicts to be announced, the charming Mr Williams had pushed his chair back & was lounging back, legs outstretched staring in the defendants' direction. He appeared very relaxed for a man who the day before had delivered some outrageous & desperate closing remarks. Was he gloating because he knew "the fix" was in?
On February 9, 2024 at 3:49 pm, George Pereira wrote:
Mark,
Let me be unkind for a moment. I'm one of the "jurors".
If I find Mark innocent, then some troublemaker from Canada and a bunch of his friends who I won't like cheer and wave their constitution at me.
My life and my family's life will be threatened by the left. My friends will disown me. I'll lose my job; I'll be treated like a pariah for the rest of my life. I'll lose everything I own. The little mann will speak and write vicious things about me. I'll never have a moments peace again. I will be hounded, and my family will be hounded as if we were criminals for the rest of our lives.
If I find Mark guilty then I'm a hero to everyone who matters to me. My life will get better. The little mann will speak glowingly of me. I'll never have to buy a drink ever again. Don't wave that constitution at me.
That's what went on.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:50 pm, Gavin Maxwell wrote:
Pin Ball Wizard - Mark Steyn
As predicted the " Dirty Rotten US Justice System" delivered a verdict that only Dem "Deaf dumb & blind kids" might conclude after applying a quart of DC bias mixed with a gallon of callous disregard for the net zero evidence from Mann and his deceitful lawyers.
We the people, unaffected by the IPCC gritters, climate tinkers and political hobo's riding the gravy train to the grant bank, salute you and take comfort in the knowledge that the "Odious little Mann" has been fully exposed.
Perhaps Judith Curry could lawyer up and crucify Mann for the actual damage you made him confess to in the Inferior/ Superior Court. Enjoy the Cruise, and if you Make it to Ireland in the spring after offing Of-Com afternoon tea, scones and acerbic jam awaits at the Rectory.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:50 pm, doug \'renewed my membership yesterday\' wrote:
Mark,
I know it's a bit cold comfort, but you hold a more renown title 'Defamer of the Nobel Fraud' than these arguers of authority, shall we petition Demark to establish a worthy prize and purse, say for 1 mil Kroner ?
In debt to your service illuminating the darkening world
Doug
On February 9, 2024 at 3:51 pm, Robert Wilkinson wrote:
Mark, I've already got a copy of Disgrace but I thought of buying several more and sending them to "climate scientists" and "journalists" etc etc.
then I thought, well why don't we all do that except we'd end up sending them to the same people.
Why don't you make up a list and send them off as we buy them. We can flood the country with copies.
I'm happy to start off with the first 10.
Warm regards and God bless you.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:51 pm, Frank Gallenstein wrote:
Hi Mark,
Another nail in the coffin for free speech. Can't say I'm surprised. Just like the trash coverage from Gannett on the verdict didn't.
I always thought people were entitled to be tried by a jury of their peers. That's impossible if you live outside Washington and are tried in Washington.
The $1 award for compensatory damages reminds me of QBVII, a topic that came up at a recent Q/A.
I have no specific question, but would like hearing more about what's next with appeals, etc.
Frank
On February 9, 2024 at 3:52 pm, David Maxwell wrote:
Such a travesty of justice, but that's pretty much par for the course as of late. Sorry you have been caught up in it personally.
Conservatives have allowed the left to take over pretty much every American institution, always thinking the courts would come to save them. And now the courts, too, have been taken over.
And don't get me started on the "jury if peers" nonsense. Look around at the people who now are allegedly our "peers", and tell me you are willing to put your future in their hands.
Dark days coming quickly.
Stick #812
On February 9, 2024 at 3:53 pm, David Avren wrote:
Mark - will you be so kind as to allow us a GiveSendGo to help with your appeals?
Amongst your great virtues is perhaps a pride that might not let you accept this - please set it aside and allow us all to help - you're doing this for us too!
Blessings and strength.
David Avren
On February 9, 2024 at 3:54 pm, Mike Cliffson wrote:
Deep state standard time unquote:like
Greenwich mean look time unquote :point of pissing myself
Mark it's good to see you irrepressible.My maiden comment ;membership is little enough material support but I hope it's in token of hopes and prayers . M'father oft referred to I recall not if a seaside postcard or a punch cartoon : scene Edwardian Brit seaside resort promenade pier in background on the beach side of the front ,defeated looking thin gent is with one of those massive spherical bronze helmets of the time and other acoutrements of the profession ,against the railings, in front of him a billboard in front of the billboard his empty cap handy on the pavement, on billboard is written :" Pity the poor diver
EVERY PENNY MAKES THE WATER WARMER"
(Don't misunderstand me ....I m comparing my support to that penny )
On February 9, 2024 at 3:54 pm, Shawn Saavedra wrote:
How do we send you funds for appeal etc. not connected to products/subscriptions??
Shawn
On February 9, 2024 at 3:54 pm, John Barrett wrote:
Hello Mark,
I know it's too late for a question.....
I just want to wish you all the best in the coming months and thank you for all you do for us.
I hope you are back in "The Granite State" and relaxing at home.
Warm wishes, John
On February 9, 2024 at 3:55 pm, Lloyd Cliplef wrote:
Mark, you are the best. Perhaps now the knicker-ninnies at National Review will wake up and realize western civilization really is at stake.
As you know yesterday John Hinderaker of Powerline succinctly summed up some of the impact of the verdict in his closing sentence:
"It is hard to imagine anything more anti-scientific or anti-American. Let's hope that somewhere in the federal court system, there are judges who realize what is at stake."
I say to offer a help, to get a sense of how anti-scientific and how anti-American, consider the following snippets from Wikipedia:
"In 1928...Trofim Lysenko inventor of the official "new biology" was brought to public attention, using Soviet Propaganda to portray him as a Genius who had developed a new, revolutionary agricultural technique...
The Party-controlled newspapers applauded Lysenko's "practical" efforts and questioned the motives of his critics. He had a powerful propaganda advantage over the academics who urged the patience and observation required for science. Lysenko was admitted into the hierarchy of the Communist Party...He used his position to denounce [real]biologists..."
In 1998 Michael E. Mann et al, produced the Hockey Stick, and the rest, as they say, is history.
On February 9, 2024 at 3:55 pm, David Ross wrote:
Is there a link on this site where we can just send Mark money without buying anything? I have all of his books and most of his swag, so that would be helpful. Thanks!
On February 9, 2024 at 3:55 pm, Ellen Comeau wrote:
Cher Mark,
Je suis profondément désolée, attristée et dégoûtée par ce jugement insensé. C'est tellement injuste.
Please know that fervent prayers for you and your health, as well as your family, are being offered daily.
I hope the cruise offers a welcome respite from these tribulations, before your Ofcom case (which I hope you win quickly and decisively).
On another note, is there a French version of your piece about O Canada? If not, I would like to attempt to translate it for you...it's that good. With your permission, of course.
On another note, when I am asked to read Scripture aloud (either during Sunday School or Bible Study), I ask myself, "How would Mark do it?", then abjectly fail to reproduce your intonation and diction. It concludes with a sidelong glance from my pastor, who then mutters, "Thanks for the dramatics"...I'll keep trying.
Stay strong, cher Monsieur Steyn. LONGUE VIE À MARK STEYN! À BAS LES COQUEFREDOUILLES!
On February 9, 2024 at 4:07 pm, Stephen Davis wrote:
Shame on the judge for sending it to the jury. You did a stupendous job of representing yourself and, by extension, all of us who are deniers. A question I posited earlier to another member's post, do you have grounds for either malicious prosecution or abuse of process, since Mann stated he sought your ruin?
Thank you and God bless you!
